Or - Why Theater is Better Than Other Stuff
The QUESTION: What is the value of theater and how do you explain it in compelling language to the non-theatergoer?
The followup subquestion: How do we define value while taking into consideration that everyone has a different definition of that very thing?
The logical next followup subprimequestion: How do communicate this thought without sounding like a bunch of esoteric douchebags?
A group of theater bloggers (myself included) decided to take today to individually blog about this set of questions and try to accomplish something like a national groupmind discussion. Here are my thoughts.
1. Theater is not better than other forms of entertainment or art.
It's just not. It's definitely a unique sort of experience, but determining whether it is better than television, film, DVD, sporting events, concerts, iTunes, museums, books, poetry, videogames, birdwatching, stamp collecting, comic books, and pornography is kind of pointless because everyone on the planet has their own personal set of tastes and preferences. Each form of activity, storytelling or otherwise, feeds into the personal narrative of each individual.
2. Theater, like other forms of diversion, does has a certain pragmatic value. It diverts and informs.
And in that way it is no different from a guy painted like a silver statue breakdancing on a public street or a gag box that makes fart sounds.
3. Theater is like books that come to life or art that talks. It is a marketplace of ideas and, at its best, ideas alone.
21st Century life is cool - lotsa gadgets and toys; tons of access to information and communication. It's also fucking overwhelming at times - constant, unceasing noise with the agenda of selling us stuff. The idea behind network TV was inspired by the concept of selling products to people in their own home. In the 21st Century there are few places where someone can escape the noise and pitching of products (through fear, lust, hate - whatever). Theater is one of those places. And this is where I can hang my hat in terms of what distinguishes theater from the rest of the pack.
Ultimately, everything is politic. Who you work for, what you wear, what forms of diversion you choose. Theater is one of the few places where the only thing being sold is the experience itself (unless you go to a tourist Equity monster like Wicked and are sold on buying a fucking green monkey doll made by seven year old Asian kids who make pennies a day). No commercials. Often no overpriced concessions. No billboards and those ads in the programs are more about paying for the printing than selling the services.
It is an extremely difficult task to impose value on something where no value has been given. I may find a great deal of personal value in my origami ducks, but unless others see the value of them as well, I'm not going to be able to convince them of their worth. It is obvious from the lack of government funding to the increasing absence of arts education in the public schools to the very low percentage of the population who are regular or even semi-regular theatergoers that, for the most part, theater in this country has little to no value to the vast majority of people.
Ultimately, to answer the question appropriately, we have to take into consideration that, if money spent equals relevance to society, theater is less relevant than a Cubs game, a sub-par film starring Justin Long or The Moment of Truth. To communicate its value to people who are not already a part of the club why they should join, we have to understand two things: what value do they place upon the diversions they do spend their hard earned dough on and why they don't spend it on theater. For theater to trumpet its value to the non-theater public, it has to distinguish itself from everything else in a way that is meaningful to them and I'd wager that the community involved, the "liveness" of it, the immediacy and interactivity of it, and the sensory fullness of it are only valuable to those of us on the theatergoer bus.
What is the distinct value of theater? A one-on-one idea exchange with little to no distractions. And clean restrooms. Does labeling it thus entice the guy who prefers to watch an NCAA ballgame at a bar to get up off the barstool and go check out some live Thea-Tah? I'm doubtful.
This post is part of a Theatre Think Tank initiative. Please read the related posts by other participants in today's effort, including:
Theatreforte
Theater for the Future
Rat Sass
Theatre Ideas
Parabasis
The Next Stage
Steve on Broadway
Theatre is Territory
Freedom Spice in the New Mash-Up World
Mike Daisey
Bite and Smile
ALSO:
A Rhinestone World
Matt Freeman
Devil Vet
That Sounds Cool
Tony Adams
Adam Thurman
GreyZelda
Paul Rekk
Travis Bedard
Dennis Frymire
Open comment question: If you're "one of us" how do you describe the value of theater to those not "in the know"? And for those of you who are not theater fags, why do you prefer other types of diversion to theater?
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
The Value of Theater
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Don,
I hope to add an interesting perspective to this question, given that I was involved in theater and have since left to raise a family. My wife and I see about 4-6 shows a year at various places (Stephen Wolf, Second City, a few that shows are mentioned in your blog, etc). Given that we have a two-and-a-half year old with no local support, that’s a lot. On the flip side, we see 1-3 movies a week at home (our main diversion). We would love to see more theater, but here is the reason we don’t: Time and the minor inconveniences of seeing theater. By the time I get home from work at 6 pm (I start at 630 am, with an hour commute each way), get our daughter ready for (and to) bed, spend some quality time with my wife catching up, eat, and decompress, it’s already 8 pm, and I am ready for bed myself. To see a theater show, I have to leave work early, hire a sitter, take out a whole evening to attend, transport ourselves there, and come back late. We have to plan for it so far in advance, compared to my other diversions (movies and exercise), which are more accessible.
We both believe that theater is valuable, in like a great movie; it makes you think and sometimes changes you. When we lived in NYC (we now live in Chicago), we went to a theater show a month. And not just the big productions on Broadway you so dislike, but also off and off-off Broadway shows. We are big supporters of local theater. But now, given our crazy daily schedule, it’s very difficult to attend theater. Sure live theater is valuable to us and makes us think about our own lives. I believe you can’t really change anything to get us to see more shows, except maybe have an on-site baby-sitting service or start the show at 7.
I also believe that the enjoyment of theater is something that has to be instilled in you at a young age. I was lucky to have parents who took me to see theater like “A Christmas Carol” at Shea’s Buffalo or “A Music Man” at Artpark. I was hooked. I also had primary education that still had (mid-80s) strong art and theater classes to foster that love. We both will instill that love in our daughter. But with schools cutting a lot of the art and theater programs, we will be challenged to do so. I wish schools did have more art and theater-type classes for kids who may not be into sports. So we will do it on our own.
That’s all for now.
Paul
Paul -
Sweet. It's interesting that you mention it because I just pitched a day care service idea to the WNEP brass for our shows, y' know, 'cuz everyone's got babies now.
Good stuff.
Excellent initiative.
I'll be posting later in the day and am attempting to pick the brain of our collaborators, as well.
RZ
As a person not in the industry, (although I will admit I aspire to writing a play at some point, u guys put all your thoughts into action)...
I agree with Paul's comments about the thought provokingness of live theater...I feel that going to a good play wakes me up out of my "routine thought stuff" of life...which I believe is a good thing...
WHy I choose what I choose...lame excuse but convenience....Red Orchid,Steppingwolf is relatively close... and both high quality... I would totally go to see others but then it gets around to how do I get there(lame,but true)...
My other criteria is content, is it something that sounds interesting to me be it a movie, a play....realize that is a very vague criteria but there are some great high quality local productions but the nature of the material just doesn't hit with me or it is intimidating..some of your dada performances(which the interaction with the audience part throws me a little)
Here is another lame reason which I don't necessarily use but I think is used....it gives u something new to talk about....if u don't want to talk about work, family, politics,religion, your new therapist..etc....it is a silence breaker, a good segue item....people need material for conversations...going to a play is one....I realize that is lame but it is an honest answer..
I do think people like being stimulated, caffeine, etc, words and voices can stimulate, live theater can do that..
Final thought, I think people like to feel connected and theater, a live person can be connecting, u make eye contact, u hear other people's reactions from the audience....
JB
How do you describe the value of theater to those not "in the know"?
We need it to see ourselves. Theatre creates and strengthens communities. Stronger communities are better to live in. For everyone. Theatre is civic engagement.
ian -
Does that description work? I mean, does it get the sports fan out of the stadium and into the theater once in a while?
Hi Don,
I'm not sure if it works. What it does have going for it is that a) it's the truth b) it clearly expresses the benefit.
We can create the most compelling statements in the world about theatre, but if the work itself doesn't reflect the communities it's trying to attract, then we're going to be no further ahead.
I don't make theatre. I market it. I believe there is much overlap – but at the end of the day do you want your director of marketing saying to you, "Don, we gotta do a football play."
I'm happy to say it, but are the artists going to respond by changing their work? Maybe. Slowly.
The work itslef has to change before the audiences will.
Don -- I like the "get the sports fan out of the stadium" challenge. Makes me think...
what would one say to the notion that "civil engagement" and 'strong community' have merely become buzz words once used by a previous arts admin generation that hoped to convene to rich patrons that they could feel goos about seeing theatre? And that possibly these buzz words mean significantly less and less with each succesive use? Especially when it comes to getting the sports fan into the theatre?
-dv
One (or at least this one) would completely agree.
Don, Devil,
It's a little disheartening to have my thoughts dismissed as "merely buzzwords."
Do you really have such a low opinion of the concepts of community and civic engagement? Should we invent new words simply because we don't like what the previous generation did with them? Or should we work to make them our own?
Ian,
I am not out to remove the heart of anyone.
I do not have a low opinion of the concept of community and civic engagement.
I do have a low opinion of them as effective marketing methodology.
I think we should not waste our time attempting to resignify what a previous generation has already wrung out to dry, the notion that inovlement in this or that theatre makes for a better community...old hat...yes and duck goes quack...
I too was disheartened when the term 'experimental theatre' came to mean nothing to the average person or even worse to mean 'bad boring theatre' but rather than attempt to recapture that words strength, I turned my marketing somewhere else.
Maybe this is more useful then.... If i were to issue the challenge...tell me what your theatre does to help people without using the word 'community' or 'civic' or notions of nationalism...how would you respond?
Ian, what you are aiming at is good, but I feel you must sharpen the point of your arrows past "civic" and "community" two words that have already doen whatever they were going to do to put butts in seats
Hey guys,
I think could steal some fans from the football stadium with some Dwarf Tossing Theatre. Double billed with some Mud Wrestling Theatre or a Wet T-shirt contest would steal some more fans. And I wouldn’t need much more marketing than a flyer with a topless dwarf image and word of mouth.
I’m not being facetious. I have produced theatre at Coney Island. I love a popular audience. They’re challenging. Sick Nick, the Bellevue Boy, escapes from a straightjacket while hanging upside down tied by his ankles to the ceiling. He tells the poignant story of his love for the girl who drove him insane as he escapes.
But would you have me change the kind of theatre I do, just to go chase a more popular audience? Or just improve my marketing scam? I mean, please, do I really have to chase fandom with my theatre?
Ian,
potential, imperfect examples of what I'm talking about with a hypothetical theater company called
"Revalue Theatreworks" or RTW
Revalue Theatreworks produces plays that teach their audience how better to stand up to political oppression.
RTW produces plays that encourage a level of bilingual discourse among local residents and recently localed immigrants
RTW produces plays that encourage children to write, paint, and sing
RTW produces plays that show us why it si so important to cure economic poverty within our livetimes
RTW produces work that comments on local emminent domain legislative changes in our town
.......
I think this is the sort of thing you are talking about...this is where the discourse has to evolve to, past 'civil engagement' past 'community based' and into something more like this!
Put your heart there! (virtual high five)
-dv
ian -
No dismissal, but my point is that those things (community and civic engagement) are not high priorities to almost anyone but those of us already involved.
To make those things effective, we have to re-market those ideals as being important and valuable in and of themselves. The argument that "No, Don - people do seek out community and civic engagement." does not bear out in reality because most people are too busy to even think about their community or being involved (see both JB's and Paul's comments).
I think theater is very valuable to us but the second part of that equation is how we get it to be valuable to others that are not currently on our train.
Nick,
I think I'm going to do Wet T shirt lysistrata. Fuck the fandom...this is me at my most selfish. Also, cast a drawf as Promethus in Promethus unbound.
Devil, Nick, Don,
All great points. Thanks for the follow up.
I had a marketing meeting with the two co-artistic directors of our company last weekend during which we spent some time trying to identify and clarify the "consumer benefit" of our offering.
Simon said, "It's educational."
Mike said, "No! We can't say that. People think education is boring."
(I'm paraphrasing there.)
I guess the point is that there's a difference between knowing what the benefits of the product are, and communicating those benefits to your consumer.
And I think you've actually provided some good insight into where I'm at with all this.
I'm still trying to make sure that I understand what the benefits are. So, the "we need it to see ourselves", "community", "civic engagement" and – yes – "education" lines are important to me precisely because these represent the "substance" of the consumer benefit.
But are these the right words to sell it to a new consumer? Probably not.
You're right. Good point. And well made.
Thanks!
Are we talking value to the creators or to those we want in our audience?
http://jayraskolnikov.blogspot.com/2008/03/on-value.html
I wanna play
http://missionparadox.typepad.com/the_mission_paradox_blog/2008/03/redefining-the.html
OK ... It's up.
www.greyzelda.blogspot.com
RZ
I guess I did one, too. Kinda. Meh.
prekk.blogspot.com
Devilvet,
Weren’t you at Tirza’s Wine Bath at Coney Island with Ralph and Barry and Catherine back in the day? I almost remember some strange “toilet room” performance that night from you and others. I may have misremembered that though. That was a wild night. The dwarf Koko, the Killer Klown, joined the audience watching us when he was performing his own act downstairs in the sideshow. Strange for everyone, I would guess.
Anyway, your Prometheus mention reminded me of this fantastic proposal Stephan Balint of Squat Theatre had written out for a project that actually got a grant from the NEA in the early ‘80’s. Imagine the same proposal now. Squat were the masters.
DREAMLAND BURNS
“PAVILION OF THE VULTURE. In the Pavilion of the Vulture, Steve McKane, a vaudeville performer, exposes his perfect body chained to an artificial rock while a trained vulture feeds itself on the bloody liver, prepared on the skin of the young man, who, time after time, gives a rendition from Aeschylus: Prometheus. Rebecca, a school girl of 13, visiting the amusement park with her boyfriend, is stunned by the spectacle and, falling in love with the man, decides to stay with him for the night. After a short argument, her friend, Vincent, leaves the scene crying in anger and jealousy.”
“The actor, seduced by the passion of the innocent girl, is ready to make love with her. They embrace each other when a big fire breaks out, and the boy, who got drunk for the first time in his life, returns to save the girl. But Steve McKane, tied to the rock by the chains, dies in the blaze which destroyed the whole "Dreamland" in May 1911, Coney Island.”
Nick,
I was there. And we did do a bathroom performance. It was part of the rat conference if I remember. I had moved to NYC about 1 week before that.
-dv
A bit late to the party, but...
http://dennisfrymire.blogspot.com/2008/03/value-of-theater.html
I thought so, Bob. A most excellent performance in a crazy happening of a night. I still kid Ralph now and then about his balloon striptease. Who would have thunk it?
All that blog talk was good yesterday, but wondering if there isn't another incarnation of a rat-like national network ready to spring up. You know, the talk leading to some real national coproductions and face-to-face scheming to overthrow the world. You Chitown guys seem pretty linked up and have taken the lead in much of the talk on common models and value. Maybe not quite yet, but it would be nice that if things got ripe enough, some proposals for a national meet came from you guys. Tirza's Wine Bath had theatre people from around the country all on the same stage in a mad one day improv with one another. And of course the rat confererence itself set up all these future national collaborations and coproductions between theatres and individuals. Be nice seeing all that start to bubble up again.
JB: My other criteria is content, is it something that sounds interesting to me be it a movie, a play....realize that is a very vague criteria but there are some great high quality local productions but the nature of the material just doesn't hit with me or it is intimidating
...and here is where the wheels come off the track in this conversation:
Relevance is based entirely in CONTENT not medium. Theater itself is no better or worse than the content presented.
As an actor who likes nothing better than to take the third Thursday and Friday of every March off work to (over)induldge in college basketball, I guess I come from both sides of the coin.
I don't need dwarfs and wet t-shirts to see your show. And quite frankly, that notion -- however in jest -- is kind of offensive. I love sports but I'm fairly certain my knuckles don't drag on the ground when I walk. I might even argue that holding the average beer-drinking, sports-loving dude in that kind of contempt might be part of the problem to begin with.
I go to Cub games to have a good time...to be entertained. I go to theatre for the same reasons. I like to think, I like to be provoked, I like to be challenged. But above all, I like to be entertained. I don't need smoke and mirrors or bells and whistles or flying witches or a jukebox full of songs my pops listened to in his car... I just need a good story, expertly told. No pretentions to be anything more that what you are -- practioners of professionally crafted theatre.
If you do that...I'll find you.
Good comment, f.c. -
I don't know why there's always that "Us vs. Them" debate when it comes to sports and art. Especially sports and theatre.
I did sports when I was younger. I did theatre when I was younger. I still (sort of) do sports and definitely watch them and I still do theatre (and don't watch enough of it, I totally admit, because I do it a good deal).
Growing up and learning the discipline to become an athlete, learning team play, learning logical thought and action, and keeping my body (instrument) in shape and knowing what happens when you miss a game or a practice, I don't know where the disconnect lies. Theatre and a sports team share a lot of the same values and I would encourage my kid to do both, if they want to. And, hell, I might even be one of those types that enrolls my kid in a sport even if they don't want to. You learn about winning and losing that way.
Anyway - this is steering away from the conversation a bit ... thanks for chiming in, f.c.
RZ
Speaking for me...
i dont need the wet t shirt, but...
it couldnt hurt.
;)
Thanks RZ. Maybe someday I'll pass along my theories on how the lessons you learn playing golf and basketball can help you as an actor.
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